Man of the Match: Cardiff City (A)

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@Midlander

… back in September, that our squad was actually quite good just with a couple of holes for first half of season. Truly bonkers to think that some thought we were in a relegation battle.The fact that our fourth choice centre back is now showing some signs of the form that made him player of the year at a fellow League One club last season is another justification for me at the strength of this squad.

A club that was in free fall, to be fair.

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@Midlander

… back in September, that our squad was actually quite good just with a couple of holes for first half of season. Truly bonkers to think that some thought we were in a relegation battle.The fact that our fourth choice centre back is now showing some signs of the form that made him player of the year at a fellow League One club last season is another justification for me at the strength of this squad.

I think bitter disappointment would be stretching it a bit

Wherever we end up his season I think most fans would end it looking forward to next season with genuine optimism and excitement

[NewStyleOfPlay]

@Midlander

Truly bonkers to think that some thought we were in a relegation battle.

We were.

[wwfcblue]

@NewStyleOfPlay

We were.

And here’s the proof with over a quarter of the season gone we were in the relegation zone.

[eric_plant]

There is no such thing as a relegation battle after 12 games

Nonsensical to even suggest it

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Now now boys.

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Such a weird expression.

[Blue_since_1990]

@NewStyleOfPlay

We were.

We certainly were and things started to look a bit dodgy to say the least.

[Commoner]

@eric_plant

There is no such thing as a relegation battle after 12 games

Nonsensical to even suggest it

There are scenarios where people are in a relegation battle after 12 games.

Team who have had significant points deductions - Sheff Weds this season.

Covid or another issue stops the season and PPG is needed to be used.

Whilst both could be considered rare events, they are not non sensical.

Looking at the table after 12 games, you could “discuss” whether anyone from 13th down was looking likely to be in a relegation battle after 12 games, as they had 14 points. 12th sitting on 17 you could argue were less likely to be involved.

Of those 12 teams, two of the bottom four are still in the bottom four - Rotherham, Blackpool - 50%.

Three teams are in the top half - Wycombe, Plymouth and Reading - 25%

Two teams who were not in the bottom 12 now are - Mansfield / Doncaster

Teams from that bottom 12 who are still in a real relegation battle after 38 games:

8 out of the current bottom 9 - Port Vale, Northampton, Rotherham, Blackpool, Wigan, Exeter, Burton, Leyton Orient are at real risk of relegation 26 games later. That’s 75% of teams in the bottom 12 after 12 games are still in a relegation battle.

Whilst 25% have moved away, I’d say it is reasonably sensible to wonder/discuss/claim you maybe in a relegation battle after 12 games, if 75% of clubs are still in that battle with 8 games of the season left.

It would be interesting to see the stats over a few seasons and not just this season.

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@Commoner

There are scenarios where people are in a relegation battle after 12 games.

Team who have had significant points deductions - Sheff Weds this season.

Covid or another issue stops the season and PPG is needed to be used.

Whilst both could be considered rare events, they are not non sensical.

Looking at the table after 12 games, you could “discuss” whether anyone from 13th down was looking likely to be in a relegation battle after 12 games, as they had 14 points. 12th sitting on 17 you could argue were less likely to be involved.

Of those 12 teams, two of the bottom four are still in the bottom four - Rotherham, Blackpool - 50%.

Three teams are in the top half - Wycombe, Plymouth and Reading - 25%

Two teams who were not in the bottom 12 now are - Mansfield / Doncaster

Teams from that bottom 12 who are still in a real relegation battle after 38 games:

8 out of the current bottom 9 - Port Vale, Northampton, Rotherham, Blackpool, Wigan, Exeter, Burton, Leyton Orient are at real risk of relegation 26 games later. That’s 75% of teams in the bottom 12 after 12 games are still in a relegation battle.

Whilst 25% have moved away, I’d say it is reasonably sensible to wonder/discuss/claim you maybe in a relegation battle after 12 games, if 75% of clubs are still in that battle with 8 games of the season left.

It would be interesting to see the stats over a few seaso

as I said, nonsensical

[Bayo]

@Commoner

…egation 26 games later. That’s 75% of teams in the bottom 12 after 12 games are still in a relegation battle.Whilst 25% have moved away, I’d say it is reasonably sensible to wonder/discuss/claim you maybe in a relegation battle after 12 games, if 75% of clubs are still in that battle with 8 games of the season left.It would be interesting to see the stats over a few seasons and not just this season.

We and the Posh have had similar recoveries after the 1st 12 games. We have 44 points from our next 26 games and Posh have 42 points from their next 25 games.

[PJS]

@Bayo

We and the Posh have had similar recoveries after the 1st 12 games. We have 44 points from our next 26 games and Posh have 42 points from their next 25 games.

We are ahead on PPG - don’t tell Swanny!