Match day thread: Leyton Orient 8th Nov 25

Bolton to be up there for me

Definitely, I think some people forget with just 3 games to go we had a 1 point lead over Wrexham and were sat in an automatic promotion position.

It’s hard to imagine that we wouldn’t have at least had a few more points under Bloomfield.

Or not lost the last 3 games without a whimper.

We all knew that our only chance in the playoffs v Charlton was somehow holding on for two 0-0s and pens, or stealing a goal from one of our immense centre backs.

It was an absolutely huge missed chance.

However, we’re onto the start of something good here again and at least this year isn’t the write off it felt about 8 weeks back.

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Morley not being a regular there is quite upsetting! But if they reckon they have better options, they’re definitely in a good place!

Great fun afternoon. Some excellent work from our lads yet I didn’t feel we were safe until number 4 went in. However I always felt optimistic which was the not the case under Dodds apart from maybe his first few games

What’s really nice to see is how the players are enjoying themselves in what is becoming a settled side (apart from injuries) with attacking threat off the bench. McNeally looks just what you want on 65 minute. Strong, quick and smart.

After the awful start I thought mid table was the most we could hope for but as the top six haven’t run away with it there might be decent chance of some post season action.

Off to Port Vale we go with a song in our hearts and a spring in our steps.

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I wouldn’t put it past us returning for Morley in January. We bid £800k for him in August. Given he’s not playing, a similar bid might just get him now. (and there’s no Bloomfield Luton factor either now).

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Now that would be one hell of a signing to really make us think we can do something big this season.

I can’t believe we’re still talking about Morley, good player yes but playing under a system devised by Bloomfield, It’s Duff’s team now and I am excited to see what he does with it and who he brings in. I’m certainly not of the belief that we absolutely need to keep resigning players who had a decent spell with us during a loan once

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The “we didn’t sign Morley because the data said no” brigade need to save this message and refer to it every time they are tempted to post something foolish

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We have the squad we have!

No amount of whataboutery is going to change it for now.

Looking at how Duff is getting us playing & both collectively as well as individually improving each game, it is debatable whether we need anyone else. To be honest given the size of our squad coupled with the quality of the youngsters coming through if we did need to add anyone we will need to offload players in January.

For me I think we should focus on the here & now, & support the team, the management & support staff in continuing to deliver performances & results like today.

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Also: I’m not a Westergaard hater by any means, I think he’s looked ok in spells.

But if the data says: yes, splurge £1m on Westergaard (even if it is at the behest of a would-be manager), but Morley’s only worth £800k, then I think the data model is pretty wonky.

Anyway. In other news, I had totally forgotten that Bakinson now played for Orient.

To me he was an OK squad player, generally did a job when he came on, but I didn’t weep when he left either.

I saw he didn’t even make their bench today, he may be injured though.

According to Soccerbase, he’s appeared 7 times for them since signing in the summer.

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Thought the accepted fee was 850k for Westy, though your general point still remains.

So true. I remember being amazed that despite our stumbling form under Dodds, that we were still in the mix. There was a spell when everyone bar Birmingham were just falling over each other.

Now it’s been demonstrated just how atrocious Dodds was as the coach, it’s difficult to imagine that Blooms, or a competent replacement, couldn’t have got promotion.

Anyway, moving on, the team’s unrecognisable under Duff and it’s great to be at Adams Park enjoying the whole experience again.

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Today was the first time we’ve scored four goals in a game since 14th December last year (Shrewsbury Town 1 Wycombe Wanderers 4).

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My Bolton supporting colleague (season ticket holder) has said Morley’s lack of minutes is because he is just not consistent enough and often disappears in games. Our former loanee Xavier Simons being ahead of him on merit. Morley may have shone with us because of who was around him allowing him to play. We have a different squad now and he may disappoint if he was to come back.

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The expectations would be high, so it could easily be a let down.

We’re on a good path as we are, so let’s see how we even look by January. Maybe they won’t go for a mad revolving door tactic this time.

I think we’re in a far different situation to what we had with Dodds, and even in fairness to the latter he came in at a time where not only the base of the squad wasn’t his, but he had a bunch of new signings who weren’t even his choice and weren’t established either.

We already have a relatively settled rota of established first-teamers, and with the exciting prospect of Scowen coming back in the not-too-distant future. Still don’t know how serious Abbott’s injury was either, so we shouldn’t forget about him.

For me the big question marks are:

Fink

Tilley

Huggins

Skura

And that’s obviously Duff’s call to make - if he rates them, then OK.

If not, then try and ship them out on loan (if fit, not sure about Tilley?), and make use of the squad space.

As I bang on about a fair bit, I would definitely like to see us bring in a target man, so we can have genuine competition up front, and also a different approach for teams who play the low block.

Woodrow is getting into a good run of form, and he offers the hold-up play of a quality target man, but I still don’t think we have anyone great in the air up front.

I’m less worried than I was about CB cover now Hagelskjaer is also starting to settle down, and Casey too, but I still wouldn’t mind a quality CB loan, an area where we’ve been so spoiled in recent times.

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I think Lowry could do with going out on loan as he is not getting enough minutes at the moment and to be honest is a bit of a luxury player. Perhaps a spell at Gillingham where Gareth could give him valuable guidance and minutes.

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The line-up has nicely taken shape really, with reasonably clear first choice keeper, full backs, Leahy & Hendo and a front 3.

Centre back positions are probably well up for grabs and also the 3rd midfielder role.
Probably not as clear as it would have been before today that Taylor comes straight back in for Casey. And it’s probably our biggest conundrum on how to best fit Taylor in. Not certain centre back in a 2 is it.

The 4 players @PBo mentions have it all on them to break into the reckoning.

Incredible really, I remember one season they only lost 10 and missed out on the play offs!

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The jury is still very much out on Fink, but I can’t imagine him going anywhere in January. I’d like us to keep hold of Woodrow.

Tilley got injured in the LC game at Wigan and hasn’t been seen since. Presumably he’s working his way back to fitness. There’s a player in there.

Huggins and Skura need to go elsewhere for more playing time at this stage of their career. I hoped Skura was going to force his way back in when he started in Duff’s second game, but since we went without a CB on the bench today he must he way down the pecking order.