Brilliant! I would rather Luton have stayed up and Wycombe stayed down. Glad to know you won’t judge me for it.
As your post shows, some moral questions are greater than even our immediate loyalties. For me, our club has basically been invaded, and someone who actually represented what our club stood for was treated like dirt. I would rather he had succeeded this particular season (and then gone to Ipswich).
P.S. - I still want Wycombe to go up.
I’m not sure* Bloomfield moving to Luton is quite the same as Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes.
*except I am, and it’s not.
We’ve moved into beyond parody territory now
Imagine wanting Luton to do well at the expense of your own club. Very strange behaviour.
I am well aware most of you are not aware of the depths of what happened, so I am perfectly willing to be called a lesser fan, etc. I really don’t care at all.
Ascribing parody to posts you know are serious is a passive-aggressive and disrespectful move I would only expect from a self-important but cowardly poster like…oh wait, it’s you.
Yeh, there’s a lot of information out there that i’m not aware of. That’s fine, i don’t need to know everything about everything.
I don’t think making a poor analogy makes you ‘a lesser fan.’ I’m not sure anyone on this thread has made that claim, i certainly haven’t.
Cowardly?
Yes - calling posts you disagree with parody is a way to avoid actually addressing points head on. It’s a form of cowardice.
Not really sure what you want me to address.
I’ll give it a go though. Regardless of how I feel about how the club is being run, Wycombe Wanderers have been for 40 years, and will always be “my” club. It is a love affair that will never end. My Dad took me, I now take my son, and most home games those three generations of our family are present cheering us on.
Ownership regimes come and go, players come and go, managers come and go. Supporters will outlast them all.
I genuinely find it staggering that a Wycombe fan would prefer Luton Town to succeed (Luton Town!!!) than Wycombe. In fact such a scenario would have struck me as so far-fetched that I could only ever have imagined it being part of some sort of spoof account, hence the beyond parody remark.
I mean, if you would prefer Luton to do well than Wycombe does that not effectively make you a Luton supporter?
This is lovely by the way. Brilliant stuff.
I can fully relate to how Shev is feeling. I might not go as far as rather Luton stayed up than Wycombe went up but can fully understand why he (and other Wycombe fans - I’ve heard similar) think that.
You don’t go when Wycombe play MK Dons, right? Doesn’t that mean you are more passionate (in a negative way) about MK than Wycombe? It’s hardly supporting your club through thick and thin if there is a club you refuse to support your own club against. No doubt you have “moral reasons”, but the fact you call other moral reasons parody because they are so far fetched to you comes across as massively lacking in self awareness.
You already said you would prefer we don’t succeed in promotion if it meant MK go out of business. How could you want your own club to fail for the sake of what happens to another club? How would you feel if others called your reasons parody?
I don’t want Luton to succeed at the expense of Wycombe - the whole question is a “gotcha” to begin with. I wanted Matt Bloomfield to succeed this season (which would mean Luton staying up, yes) more than the imposters who turfed him out. That does not mean I don’t want Wycombe to succeed (as it is not even an either/or) but this particular season I would rather Bloomfield cracked on so that his career advanced rather than was set back by the outrageous way he was treated.
I am sorry if this concept is parody to you, but I freely admit how people are treated is more important to me than football. If Dan Rice ran over Bayo, I would not make excuses for him just because he was driving a blue quartered car at the time.
Sorry to butt in but I’ve only been a fan since the O’Neill glory days and am entirely unaware of why we’re supposed to hate Luton so much. Could any superfan explain?
Luton are a dreadful bunch. Have you even been there? Or been at AP when we’ve played them at home.
I don’t think any Wycombe fan hates Luton, but some teams you always wish the worst for. Swindon are in this category too.
I will also say that excusing the mistreatment of an individual because they are not (or no longer) a part of a large category of people you identify with is perplexing to me. Isn’t this a huge problem in our real world?
One of the things I have found most upsetting in all this is how quickly so many fans rationalize away (or bury their heads in the sand over) the way a legend of the club was treated, just because he is no longer, officially, “one of us”.
To me, compared to the treatment of people, football identity is a tiny speck receding on the horizon behind.
Get a room
It’s called “othering” and it’s how fascism succeeds.
Cool, Shev can support the Hatters and I’ll crack on with facilitating the rise of the Nazis